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		<title>Comment on Visions of Subsidiarity and the Curse of the British Political Tradition by colinrtalbot</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/05/20/visions-of-subsidiarity-and-the-curse-of-the-british-political-tradition/#comment-6489</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 13:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with your central thrust but would add that in the centralisation/decentralisation debates of recent years there is a clear position that emerged in British government and has been copied elsewhere - what I have called &quot;operational decentralisation and strategic centralisation&quot;. This was most apparent in civil service reform in the 90s, where the centre simultaneously strengthened its strategic control whilst relaxing micro-controls.

This idea is clear in budgetary reforms, personnel, organisational changes (agencies), targets, etc etc. Many countries have copied the budgetary systems that relax micro-controls over wages, grading, etc but replace them with tight macro-spending controls.

This approach was shared by both previous governments and applied across the public sector in different ways, in health, education, local government, policing, etc. (And, as an aside, they have even found it difficult to really let go of some of the micro-controls too - I did a paper on this some years back showing how HMT had failed to &#039;let go&#039; in practice).

But - and for me this is crucial - this approach was rarely articulated by government (and some academics) as anything other than simple &quot;decentralisation&quot;, which was highly misleading. 

I would also say something stronger about the current governments use of targets - they have changed the system but are using as many, if not more, targets than Labour (see my analysis in a previous post on Whitehall Watch).

Colin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your central thrust but would add that in the centralisation/decentralisation debates of recent years there is a clear position that emerged in British government and has been copied elsewhere &#8211; what I have called &#8220;operational decentralisation and strategic centralisation&#8221;. This was most apparent in civil service reform in the 90s, where the centre simultaneously strengthened its strategic control whilst relaxing micro-controls.</p>
<p>This idea is clear in budgetary reforms, personnel, organisational changes (agencies), targets, etc etc. Many countries have copied the budgetary systems that relax micro-controls over wages, grading, etc but replace them with tight macro-spending controls.</p>
<p>This approach was shared by both previous governments and applied across the public sector in different ways, in health, education, local government, policing, etc. (And, as an aside, they have even found it difficult to really let go of some of the micro-controls too &#8211; I did a paper on this some years back showing how HMT had failed to &#8216;let go&#8217; in practice).</p>
<p>But &#8211; and for me this is crucial &#8211; this approach was rarely articulated by government (and some academics) as anything other than simple &#8220;decentralisation&#8221;, which was highly misleading. </p>
<p>I would also say something stronger about the current governments use of targets &#8211; they have changed the system but are using as many, if not more, targets than Labour (see my analysis in a previous post on Whitehall Watch).</p>
<p>Colin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lord O&#8217;Donnell Suggests &#8230;. that someone rather like him should be put in charge of vetting government policy. Seriously? by Brat</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/05/10/lord-odonnell-suggests-that-someone-rather-like-him-should-be-put-in-charge-of-vetting-government-policy-seriously/#comment-6437</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 19:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In all cases - MInisters, Civil Servants, and Parliamentarians - you are looking for amateurs to develop policies. Better in my view to look for policies to be designed and vetted by people who actually know what they are doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all cases &#8211; MInisters, Civil Servants, and Parliamentarians &#8211; you are looking for amateurs to develop policies. Better in my view to look for policies to be designed and vetted by people who actually know what they are doing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lord O&#8217;Donnell Suggests &#8230;. that someone rather like him should be put in charge of vetting government policy. Seriously? by Inquisitive Practitioner</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/05/10/lord-odonnell-suggests-that-someone-rather-like-him-should-be-put-in-charge-of-vetting-government-policy-seriously/#comment-6425</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Inquisitive Practitioner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 15:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Might I suggest that during the former Cabinet Secretary’s appointments spanning a period of increasing sociotechnical complexity that little progress has actually been made to implement the necessary radical change so often identified as essential if the country’s public sector is to have requisite capability to evaluate policy.  There are many, many, examples of this deficit but just to use one to illustrate the point (there are many others in the news every day) the updating of the Green and Magenta Books which are supposed to be about policy evaluation as this extract taken from the Introduction to latter identifies: The risk of not evaluating, or of poor evaluation, is that policy makers are not aware if policies are ineffective or, worse still, result in overall perverse, adverse or costly outcomes. 

Correspondence with the Treasury, who own the guidance,  during this period identified that the approach was to be entirely orthodox; striving to do better what had been done before, an approach of sustaining innovation rather than the creative destruction of radical or disruptive innovation; moving beyond the comfort zone of the familiar to accept a heterodox approach that could replace the traditional 3Es with possibly 3Vs (Viable, Verifiable &amp; Valid). As Einstein informed us: No problem can be solved by the same consciousness that created it. We need to see the world anew.&quot; – But such reorientation takes leadership as well as good management.

The proposal for an: Office of Taxpayer Responsibility (OTR) should assess policies, requiring the government to specify their objectives and explain how success would be measured is an activity that is supposed to be done today but isn’t because the tools of their trade are inadequate for the job; the responsibility of which must reside with the leadership within the Civil Service in Central Gov and Public Servants in Local Gov.

One of the functions of the House of Lords is supposed to be that of a revising chamber (in its ping-pong role with the legislature of the Commons) this is the proper place for policy evaluation to be conducted – the Liaison Committee is currently exploring the roles of Committees which in reality need their own new tool box to improve decision making in complex non-linear service delivery, if they are to better understand (when there is a shortage of wisdom) the why as to what is systemically sensitive and thus important.

Having once been a mentor for Civil Servants in a Gov. Dept. it was surprising how little understanding there was of the difference between the lexicon of the appointed vs. the lexicon of the elected; where too often capabilities (based on past experience) of the appointed were inadequate to the challenge of evaluating and implementing the policy (ends) of the elected – the traditional doctrine of operational tactics (means) being inadequate but still used to determine strategy (tail wagging dog) – to inform policy and provide direction to operational delivery. What resonated was good what reverberated was considered bad or inappropriate.

To sideline the challenge of effective policy evaluation and identifying appropriate strategy it was again too often mentioned that the civil service aspired to be: more business like without being like a business! At first this seemed quite sensible, but then it became easier for the administration to believe they might overcome their difficulties if only they became: more like a business; this would allow common use business processes to become the norm in decision thinking; but the structure of business is different to that of the public sector, hence, we end up with increasing stress and conflict in the delivery system as it strives to deliver less than viable policy using verifiable means that are only valid to the function of inappropriate audit. I.e. building the wrong system right does not make it any less wrong.

The former Cabinet Secretary’s opportunity was when in office; perhaps what is first required is a revised scrutiny process for appointing members to the Revising Chamber - the Upper House?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I suggest that during the former Cabinet Secretary’s appointments spanning a period of increasing sociotechnical complexity that little progress has actually been made to implement the necessary radical change so often identified as essential if the country’s public sector is to have requisite capability to evaluate policy.  There are many, many, examples of this deficit but just to use one to illustrate the point (there are many others in the news every day) the updating of the Green and Magenta Books which are supposed to be about policy evaluation as this extract taken from the Introduction to latter identifies: The risk of not evaluating, or of poor evaluation, is that policy makers are not aware if policies are ineffective or, worse still, result in overall perverse, adverse or costly outcomes. </p>
<p>Correspondence with the Treasury, who own the guidance,  during this period identified that the approach was to be entirely orthodox; striving to do better what had been done before, an approach of sustaining innovation rather than the creative destruction of radical or disruptive innovation; moving beyond the comfort zone of the familiar to accept a heterodox approach that could replace the traditional 3Es with possibly 3Vs (Viable, Verifiable &amp; Valid). As Einstein informed us: No problem can be solved by the same consciousness that created it. We need to see the world anew.&#8221; – But such reorientation takes leadership as well as good management.</p>
<p>The proposal for an: Office of Taxpayer Responsibility (OTR) should assess policies, requiring the government to specify their objectives and explain how success would be measured is an activity that is supposed to be done today but isn’t because the tools of their trade are inadequate for the job; the responsibility of which must reside with the leadership within the Civil Service in Central Gov and Public Servants in Local Gov.</p>
<p>One of the functions of the House of Lords is supposed to be that of a revising chamber (in its ping-pong role with the legislature of the Commons) this is the proper place for policy evaluation to be conducted – the Liaison Committee is currently exploring the roles of Committees which in reality need their own new tool box to improve decision making in complex non-linear service delivery, if they are to better understand (when there is a shortage of wisdom) the why as to what is systemically sensitive and thus important.</p>
<p>Having once been a mentor for Civil Servants in a Gov. Dept. it was surprising how little understanding there was of the difference between the lexicon of the appointed vs. the lexicon of the elected; where too often capabilities (based on past experience) of the appointed were inadequate to the challenge of evaluating and implementing the policy (ends) of the elected – the traditional doctrine of operational tactics (means) being inadequate but still used to determine strategy (tail wagging dog) – to inform policy and provide direction to operational delivery. What resonated was good what reverberated was considered bad or inappropriate.</p>
<p>To sideline the challenge of effective policy evaluation and identifying appropriate strategy it was again too often mentioned that the civil service aspired to be: more business like without being like a business! At first this seemed quite sensible, but then it became easier for the administration to believe they might overcome their difficulties if only they became: more like a business; this would allow common use business processes to become the norm in decision thinking; but the structure of business is different to that of the public sector, hence, we end up with increasing stress and conflict in the delivery system as it strives to deliver less than viable policy using verifiable means that are only valid to the function of inappropriate audit. I.e. building the wrong system right does not make it any less wrong.</p>
<p>The former Cabinet Secretary’s opportunity was when in office; perhaps what is first required is a revised scrutiny process for appointing members to the Revising Chamber &#8211; the Upper House?</p>
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		<title>Comment on UKIP: Building a Party when the &#8220;Party&#8221; is Over? by Chris Wilson</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/05/08/ukip-building-a-party-when-the-partys-are-over/#comment-6408</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 11:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aren&#039;t UKIP an echo of the tea party?  There support is drawn from older blue collar workers, but there policies are actually in support of international finance capitalism.  The risk to them is that if that dichotomy is exposed they could lose support.  Or they could emulate the tea party in persuading poor people that it&#039;s in their interest to support tax cuts for the rich.  A lot of the commentary on the US presidential election was that the Republicans problem was relience on older, poorer angry white men who are a declining segment of the population.  UKIP seem to have the same problem.  Their supporters are the people left behind by the search for the support of younger, more diverse urban voters who are seen as necessary for electoral success.  But that logic isn&#039;t going to change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t UKIP an echo of the tea party?  There support is drawn from older blue collar workers, but there policies are actually in support of international finance capitalism.  The risk to them is that if that dichotomy is exposed they could lose support.  Or they could emulate the tea party in persuading poor people that it&#8217;s in their interest to support tax cuts for the rich.  A lot of the commentary on the US presidential election was that the Republicans problem was relience on older, poorer angry white men who are a declining segment of the population.  UKIP seem to have the same problem.  Their supporters are the people left behind by the search for the support of younger, more diverse urban voters who are seen as necessary for electoral success.  But that logic isn&#8217;t going to change.</p>
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		<title>Comment on UKIP: Building a Party when the &#8220;Party&#8221; is Over? by brian carr</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/05/08/ukip-building-a-party-when-the-partys-are-over/#comment-6400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brian carr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 16:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that we are on the verge of a change in politics, but not along the lines you suggest.
The split is not between left/right any more it is going to be us against multinationals. To the extent that UKIP has latched on to some popular policies on immigration, and independence from EEC.will be the basis of the &#039;us&#039; sector, but their free trade policy, which will play into the global economy, risks swapping an EEC we can&#039;t control with multinationals they cannot control either..
So UKIP have no sustainable ideas, it will give an opportunty to any of the other parties to offer a balance of freedom and responsible controls/ regulation.
I believe that the party that picks up this mantle will win the next election. I think its broadly what the country wants, and most people could sign up to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that we are on the verge of a change in politics, but not along the lines you suggest.<br />
The split is not between left/right any more it is going to be us against multinationals. To the extent that UKIP has latched on to some popular policies on immigration, and independence from EEC.will be the basis of the &#8216;us&#8217; sector, but their free trade policy, which will play into the global economy, risks swapping an EEC we can&#8217;t control with multinationals they cannot control either..<br />
So UKIP have no sustainable ideas, it will give an opportunty to any of the other parties to offer a balance of freedom and responsible controls/ regulation.<br />
I believe that the party that picks up this mantle will win the next election. I think its broadly what the country wants, and most people could sign up to it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on UKIP: Building a Party when the &#8220;Party&#8221; is Over? by colinrtalbot</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/05/08/ukip-building-a-party-when-the-partys-are-over/#comment-6398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[colinrtalbot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 10:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the apostrophe was a deliberate attempt at a joke, but it clearly hasn&#039;t worked!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the apostrophe was a deliberate attempt at a joke, but it clearly hasn&#8217;t worked!</p>
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		<title>Comment on UKIP: Building a Party when the &#8220;Party&#8221; is Over? by Strategist</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/05/08/ukip-building-a-party-when-the-partys-are-over/#comment-6397</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Strategist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 10:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t get past the headline of this piece, and that apostrophe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t get past the headline of this piece, and that apostrophe.</p>
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		<title>Comment on UKIP: Building a Party when the &#8220;Party&#8221; is Over? by colinrtalbot</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/05/08/ukip-building-a-party-when-the-partys-are-over/#comment-6396</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[colinrtalbot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 09:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Davy,
I haven&#039;t really studied the Greens as a party enough to really answer your question. It certainly appears from outside that until recently the Green Party appeared to be a one woman show. I&#039;ve seen a few stories about how you have struggled to create a more collective leadership group, probably not helped by the media&#039;s tendency to narrow everything down. You do on the other hand seem to have a well established, if small, network of activists and the start of some local bases. And, again without having studied it, the Green Party does seem to have a much broader set of well developed policies - although again I don&#039;t think they necessarily come across to the general public, yet.

Colin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Davy,<br />
I haven&#8217;t really studied the Greens as a party enough to really answer your question. It certainly appears from outside that until recently the Green Party appeared to be a one woman show. I&#8217;ve seen a few stories about how you have struggled to create a more collective leadership group, probably not helped by the media&#8217;s tendency to narrow everything down. You do on the other hand seem to have a well established, if small, network of activists and the start of some local bases. And, again without having studied it, the Green Party does seem to have a much broader set of well developed policies &#8211; although again I don&#8217;t think they necessarily come across to the general public, yet.</p>
<p>Colin</p>
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		<title>Comment on UKIP: Building a Party when the &#8220;Party&#8221; is Over? by Davy Jones</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/05/08/ukip-building-a-party-when-the-partys-are-over/#comment-6395</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Davy Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 09:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Genuine Question: Do you think the Greens have the necessary characteristics - we certainly don&#039;t have the money ! 

Davy 

Davy Jones davy@davyjonesconsultancy.co.uk www.davyjonesconsultancy.co.uk twitter: @davyjones2 07932 616843]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genuine Question: Do you think the Greens have the necessary characteristics &#8211; we certainly don&#8217;t have the money ! </p>
<p>Davy </p>
<p>Davy Jones <a href="mailto:davy@davyjonesconsultancy.co.uk">davy@davyjonesconsultancy.co.uk</a> <a href="http://www.davyjonesconsultancy.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.davyjonesconsultancy.co.uk</a> twitter: @davyjones2 07932 616843</p>
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		<title>Comment on Louise Casey and &#8220;Listening to Troubled Families&#8221;: an (almost) worthless piece of &#8216;research&#8217; leading to dangerous policy prescriptions by M Hill</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2012/07/18/louise-casey-and-listening-to-troubled-families-an-almost-worthless-piece-of-research-leading-to-dangerous-policy-prescriptions-2/#comment-6384</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M Hill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 20:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can someone tell me how I can contact Louise Casey please? Email? or an address? Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone tell me how I can contact Louise Casey please? Email? or an address? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Civil Service Accountability and the CS Code by Permanent secretaries in a pickle over interdepartmental budget battles - Government Tenders, Government News and Information - Government Online</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2012/03/13/civil-service-accountability-and-the-cs-code/#comment-6350</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Permanent secretaries in a pickle over interdepartmental budget battles - Government Tenders, Government News and Information - Government Online]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 07:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to the public, to be exercised through leaking documents to parliament. (There&#8217;s a discussion here by Professor Colin Talbot and previous references to the doctrine by Pasc [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on The Scrutiny of Public Spending: Margaret Hodge, Robert Chote, and Amyas Morse, amongst others, to discuss how Britain manages public money. by Des McConaghy</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/04/16/the-scrutiny-of-public-spending-margaret-hodge-robert-chote-andrew-tyrie-and-amyas-morse-to-discuss-how-britain-manages-public-money/#comment-6296</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Des McConaghy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds really excellent. Please keep me informed. I&#039;ll be 82 in May and a layman and so perhaps I should have more sense  - but since you mention Aaron Wildavsky I am bound to say that I am still anxious to pursue his interest not simply in budgeting but also the quest to define an explicit &quot;constituency dimension&quot; within the government&#039;s overall public expenditure planning. That is one potentially crucial area that has long required greater clarity in both national planning and in our central local relationships. Again, from a systems perspective, there is also the abiding need to have some way of formally incorporating feedback into public expenditure planning - as indeed Normanton and others intended when they sought to replace the old Exchequer and Audit Department with the present National Audit Office. It must be said that our own Comptrollers have been reluctant to stray into this latter area without clear parliamentary direction. But it is an accepted practice in Germany and elsewhere - as well as a fundamental feature of systems design everywhere!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds really excellent. Please keep me informed. I&#8217;ll be 82 in May and a layman and so perhaps I should have more sense  &#8211; but since you mention Aaron Wildavsky I am bound to say that I am still anxious to pursue his interest not simply in budgeting but also the quest to define an explicit &#8220;constituency dimension&#8221; within the government&#8217;s overall public expenditure planning. That is one potentially crucial area that has long required greater clarity in both national planning and in our central local relationships. Again, from a systems perspective, there is also the abiding need to have some way of formally incorporating feedback into public expenditure planning &#8211; as indeed Normanton and others intended when they sought to replace the old Exchequer and Audit Department with the present National Audit Office. It must be said that our own Comptrollers have been reluctant to stray into this latter area without clear parliamentary direction. But it is an accepted practice in Germany and elsewhere &#8211; as well as a fundamental feature of systems design everywhere!</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Dolittle Budget for a Doing Little Economy? by The Chancellor is refusing to take responsibility for Britain&#8217;s poor economic performance &#124; British Politics and Policy at LSE</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/03/20/a-dolittle-budget-for-a-doing-little-economy/#comment-6177</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Chancellor is refusing to take responsibility for Britain&#8217;s poor economic performance &#124; British Politics and Policy at LSE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on A Dolittle Budget for a Doing Little Economy? by A &#8216;Do Little&#8217; Budget &#124; Public Finance Opinion</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/03/20/a-dolittle-budget-for-a-doing-little-economy/#comment-6163</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A &#8216;Do Little&#8217; Budget &#124; Public Finance Opinion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Ten ideas for Democratising and Modernising Public Spending in the UK by Janette Mann</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/03/01/ten-ideas-for-democratising-and-modernising-public-spending-in-the-uk/#comment-6144</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janette Mann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree on a lot of this. I would also include a requirement for Treasury to work on a government-wide basis first and foremost - in effect produce a WGA budget - and then work out which department(s) the money goes to. This may reduce some of the silo inefficiencies highlighted by the NAO in their report last week (&#039;Integration in government&#039;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree on a lot of this. I would also include a requirement for Treasury to work on a government-wide basis first and foremost &#8211; in effect produce a WGA budget &#8211; and then work out which department(s) the money goes to. This may reduce some of the silo inefficiencies highlighted by the NAO in their report last week (&#8216;Integration in government&#8217;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ten ideas for Democratising and Modernising Public Spending in the UK by Tony Baldwinson</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/03/01/ten-ideas-for-democratising-and-modernising-public-spending-in-the-uk/#comment-5985</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Baldwinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like this approach, though a worry on point 7 and amending finance bills is how to stop the &#039;pork barrel&#039; amendments common in USA for every lobby group going? Secondly, the opaque nature of public accounts by HM Treasury has been commented on by the select committee - maybe point 11 is to follow some international standards in public accounts so that we get away from the apples, pears, smoke and mirrors of HMT &#039;accounts&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this approach, though a worry on point 7 and amending finance bills is how to stop the &#8216;pork barrel&#8217; amendments common in USA for every lobby group going? Secondly, the opaque nature of public accounts by HM Treasury has been commented on by the select committee &#8211; maybe point 11 is to follow some international standards in public accounts so that we get away from the apples, pears, smoke and mirrors of HMT &#8216;accounts&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ten ideas for Democratising and Modernising Public Spending in the UK by Colin Talbot</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/03/01/ten-ideas-for-democratising-and-modernising-public-spending-in-the-uk/#comment-5984</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colin Talbot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 07:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Comment received by email from John Perry: Another good idea would be to change borrowing rules, to create more investment potential for council housing and other LA trading bodies. The case is set out here: http://www.almos.org.uk/news_docs.php?subtypeid=24]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment received by email from John Perry: Another good idea would be to change borrowing rules, to create more investment potential for council housing and other LA trading bodies. The case is set out here: <a href="http://www.almos.org.uk/news_docs.php?subtypeid=24" rel="nofollow">http://www.almos.org.uk/news_docs.php?subtypeid=24</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Ten ideas for Democratising and Modernising Public Spending in the UK by Des McConaghy</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/03/01/ten-ideas-for-democratising-and-modernising-public-spending-in-the-uk/#comment-5966</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Des McConaghy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, there should be a unified framework in which to formulate and present tax plans alongside the public expenditure plans; the taxing and expenditure plans should be presented together - and finally the C&amp;AG &amp; NAO should be able to feed comments via your Parliamentary Budget Office on these draft unified 3 year Spending Plans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there should be a unified framework in which to formulate and present tax plans alongside the public expenditure plans; the taxing and expenditure plans should be presented together &#8211; and finally the C&amp;AG &amp; NAO should be able to feed comments via your Parliamentary Budget Office on these draft unified 3 year Spending Plans.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Standards for Public Performance Reporting (White Paper) published by Ten ideas for Democratising and Modernising Public Spending in the UK &#124; Whitehall Watch</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2012/08/09/standards-for-public-performance-reporting-white-paper-published-8-2/#comment-5965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ten ideas for Democratising and Modernising Public Spending in the UK &#124; Whitehall Watch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 14:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Reporting (including so-called efficiency gains) that applies to all public bodies (see my White Paper on [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Putting the Politics back into Public Management – are the times a’changing? by Mel Dubnick</title>
		<link>http://whitehallwatch.org/2013/02/22/putting-the-politics-back-into-public-management-are-the-times-achanging/#comment-5867</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mel Dubnick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, the movement of PA within universities is more often a reflection of the desire to capture (or in some cases recapture) enrollments from those other professional programs than it is to reassertion the status of PA as a social science. There was a time in the US when PA was the energizing intellectual force within the political and social sciences (e.g., look at the roots of the Social Science Research Council, or the consider the dissertations of folks like Samuel Huntington, or the early work of Robert Dahl and colleagues -- not to mention folks like Herbert Simon and the Ostroms....) One can hope that the move is the start of a shift of PA back to the core of the social sciences rather than its current position at the periphery -- a point recently highlighted by Fukuyama....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the movement of PA within universities is more often a reflection of the desire to capture (or in some cases recapture) enrollments from those other professional programs than it is to reassertion the status of PA as a social science. There was a time in the US when PA was the energizing intellectual force within the political and social sciences (e.g., look at the roots of the Social Science Research Council, or the consider the dissertations of folks like Samuel Huntington, or the early work of Robert Dahl and colleagues &#8212; not to mention folks like Herbert Simon and the Ostroms&#8230;.) One can hope that the move is the start of a shift of PA back to the core of the social sciences rather than its current position at the periphery &#8212; a point recently highlighted by Fukuyama&#8230;.</p>
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